Herzzeit: Ingeborg Bachmann - Paul Celan. Der Briefwechsel

Herzzeit: Ingeborg Bachmann - Paul Celan. Der Briefwechsel

Ingeborg Bachmann Paul Celan / Jul 23, 2019

Herzzeit Ingeborg Bachmann Paul Celan Der Briefwechsel Die Liebesbeziehung zwischen den beiden bedeutendsten deutschsprachigen Dichtern nach beginnt im Wien der Nachkriegszeit Bachmann studiert dort Philosophie f r Paul Celan ist Wien eine Zwischens

  • Title: Herzzeit: Ingeborg Bachmann - Paul Celan. Der Briefwechsel
  • Author: Ingeborg Bachmann Paul Celan
  • ISBN: 9783518420331
  • Page: 398
  • Format: Hardcover
  • Die Liebesbeziehung zwischen den beiden bedeutendsten deutschsprachigen Dichtern nach 1945 beginnt im Wien der Nachkriegszeit Bachmann studiert dort Philosophie, f r Paul Celan ist Wien eine Zwischenstation Im Mai 1948 lernen sie einander kennen, Ende Juni geht er nach Paris Ihr Briefwechsel nach der Trennung ist zuerst sch tter, verl uft z gernd, dann setzt er sich forDie Liebesbeziehung zwischen den beiden bedeutendsten deutschsprachigen Dichtern nach 1945 beginnt im Wien der Nachkriegszeit Bachmann studiert dort Philosophie, f r Paul Celan ist Wien eine Zwischenstation Im Mai 1948 lernen sie einander kennen, Ende Juni geht er nach Paris Ihr Briefwechsel nach der Trennung ist zuerst sch tter, verl uft z gernd, dann setzt er sich fort in immer neuen dramatischen Phasen Jede dieser Phasen hat ihr eigenes Gesicht ihren besonderen Ton, ihre Themen, ihre Hoffnungen, ihre Dynamik, ihre eigene Form des Schweigens Ende 1961 brechen das briefliche Gespr ch und die pers nlichen Begegnungen ab, als sich Celans psychische Krise auf dem H hepunkt der Goll Aff re zuspitzt.Der Briefwechsel zwischen 1948 und 1961 ein letzter Brief Celans datiert aus dem Juni 1967 ist ein bewegendes Zeugnis zun chst als das Gespr ch einer Liebe nach Auschwitz mit allen symptomatischen St rungen und Krisen aufgrund der so kontr ren Herkunft der beiden und ihrer schwer zu vereinbarenden Lebensentw rfe als Frau und als Mann und als Schreibende Aber es ist auch ein Ringen um Freundschaft oder um wenigstens irgendeine Beziehung Erg nzend zu den beinahe zweihundert Zeugnissen ihrer Korrespondenz wurden die Briefwechsel zwischen Ingeborg Bachmann und Gis le Celan Lestrange sowie zwischen Paul Celan und Max Frisch in den Band aufgenommen.

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        What actually is possible, however, is transformation And the transformative effect that emanates from new works leads us to new perception, to a new feeling, new consciousness This sentence from Ingeborg Bachmann s Frankfurt Lectures on Poetics 1959 60 can also be applied to her own self consciousness as an author, and to the history of her reception Whether in the form of lyric poetry, short prose, radio plays, libretti, lectures and essays or longer fiction, Bachmann s uvre had as its goal and effect to draw people into the experiences of the writers, into new experiences of suffering GuI 139 140 But it was especially her penetrating and artistically original representation of female subjectivity within male dominated society that unleashed a new wave in the reception of her works.Although Bachmann s spectactular early fame derived from her lyric poetry she received the prestigious Prize of the Gruppe 47 in 1954 , she turned and towards prose during the 1950 s, having experienced severe doubts about the validity of poetic language The stories in the collection Das drei igste Jahr The Thirtieth Year 1961 typically present a sudden insight into the inadequacy of the world and its orders e.g of language, law, politics, or gender roles and reveal a utopian longing for and effort to imagine a new and truer order The two stories told from an explicitly female perspective, Ein Schritt nach Gomorrha A Step towards Gomorrah and Undine geht Undine Goes Leaves , are among the earliest feminist texts in postwar German language literature Undine accuses male humanity of having ruined not only her life as a woman but the world in general You monsters named Hans In her later prose Malina 1971 Simultan 1972 and the posthumously published Der Fall Franza und Requiem f r Fanny Goldmann Bachmann was again ahead of her time, often employing experimental forms to portray women as they are damaged or even destroyed by patriarchal society, in this case modern Vienna Here one sees how intertwined Bachmann s preoccupation with female identity and patriarchy is with her diagnosis of the sickness of our age I ve reflected about this question already where does fascism begin It doesn t begin with the first bombs that were dropped It begins in relationships between people Fascism lies at the root of the relationship between a man and a woman GuI 144 As the daughter of a teacher and a mother who hadn t been allowed to go to university, Bachmann enjoyed the support and encouragement of both parents after the war she studied philosophy, German literature and psychology in Innsbruck, Graz and Vienna She wrote her doctoral dissertation 1950 on the critical reception of Heidegger, whose ideas she condemned as a seduction to German irrationality of thought GuI 137 From 1957 to 1963, the time of her troubled relationship with Swiss author Max Frisch, Bachmann alternated between Zurich and Rome She rejected marriage as an impossible institution Impossible for a woman who works and thinks and wants something herself GuI 144.From the end of 1965 on Bachmann resided in Rome Despite her precarious health she was addicted to pills for years following a faulty medical procedure she traveled to Poland in 1973 She was just planning a move to Vienna when she died of complications following an accidental fire Joey Horsley


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    1. Ne može čovek biti mnogo pametan kad su tuđe intimne prepiske u pitanju. Ali nekad mu može biti vrlo teško i mučno dok čita.I Paul Celan i Ingeborg Bahman bili su pesnici (vrhunski) i osetljive duše i labilne, autodestruktivne ličnosti. I to se vidi na svakoj strani ovih pisama (koja su zapravo srazmerno oskudna, ali su uz uredničke dopune, hronologije i komentare narasla do respektabilnog obima). Bukvalno: kad god se učini da stvari kreću nabolje, jedno od njih povuče najgori mogu [...]


    2. Zwei Dichter ringen um Worte und um Liebe. Der schönste Satz des Buches, bei dem mir die Tränen in die Augen schießen: "Wie weit oder wie nah bist Du, Ingeborg? Sag es mir, damit ich weiß, ob Du die Augen schließt, wenn ich Dich jetzt küsse. Paul"


    3. წერილების წერა დიდი საკრალური რამეა ჩემთვის.სხვისი წერილების, მითუმეტეს ასეთი უხილავი კავშირებით გადაბმული ორი ადამიანის მიმოწერის კითხვა კიდევ დიდი სიამოვნება ყოფილა, და დამაიმედებე [...]


    4. Birisi toplama kampından çıkmış, birisi de savaşın yükünü hep üstünde hissetmiş iki insanın yakıcı aşkı. Öyle ki ne uzaklık, ne de başka insanlarla beraber yaşamak aşklarına ve dostluklarını azaltmış. Ve sonunda birisi kendini Seine Nehri'ne atarak, birisi de yakarak öldürdü. Zaten şöyle yazmıştı mektuplardan birinde Inge, "Beni Seine Nehri'ne götür, küçük balıklara dönüşene ve birbirimizi yeniden tanıyana kadar bakalım sularına."


    5. Paul Celane Ingeborg Bachmann, Pariz, 18.10.1957.Vrijeme srca,odsanjani stojeza ponoćnu brojku.Ponešto je govorilo u tišini, ponešto šutjelo,ponešto je išlo svojim putem.Izgnano i izgubljenoostalo je kod kućeVi katedrale.Vi katedrale neviđene,vi vode neosluhnute,vi ure duboko u nama.


    6. De briefwisseling tussen Ingeborg Bachmann en Paul Celan: een dramatische liefdeZe determineerden elk op hun manier de dichtkunst van het naoorlogse Duitsland en stortten zich vol overgave in een moeizame liefde, gedoemd om te mislukken. Ze leerden elkaar kennen in het door de geallieerden bezette Wenen, maar hadden een volstrekt verschillende levensloop. Zij was een studente filosofie en dochter van een lid van de nazipartij NSDAP; hij een stateloze, Joods-Roemeense dichter uit Czernowitz, wien [...]


    7. hayatta kaldığını zanneden Celan ve neredeyse yaşayacak gibi duran Ingeborg. bizim kafamızın tam basmayacağı bir şey var: der tod ist ein meister aus deutschland yani ölüm bir alman ustalığıdır. hep dediğim gibi: bohem insanları açıkçası hiç insancıl bulmuyorum. hepsi birbirinden naif ve nasıl yaşanacağını çözemiyorlar. bence mutluluk gerçek bir insan gibi hayat koşuşturmacasında kendini kaybedip yıllarını geçiren, bilincinin üzerine eğilip kendini önems [...]


    8. For two poets / writers, the correspondence between them is disappointing. I expected something more like Vlam in die Sneeu, but the letters are generally short, often confusing, often mundane, and rarely poetic or self-aware. An interesting realisation! I suppose it is intended primarily as a work of scholarly interest. For instance, the letters fill less than half the book, the rest being primarily explanatory notes along with a time line, epilogues, illustrations, etc.


    9. Ponad pięć lat od przeczytania dalej pamiętam wątki, ton, poruszającą gonitwę emocji i smutek - to wszystko wylewa się z tej książki i już nie daje się zapomnieć. Świetne.


    10. Doi dintre cei mai importanţi poeţi de limbă germană din literatura secolului XX, Paul Celan (evreu de limbă germană, născut la Cernăuţi, în 1920, ai cărui părinţi au murit într-un lagăr de exterminare nazist) şi Ingeborg Bachmann (născută în 1926, la Klagenfurt, Austria) au trăit una dintre cele mai dramatice poveşti de dragoste rămase în istoria literară printr-un amplu epistolar. El a apărut în traducere românească (traducere din germană de Iulia Dondorici) sub ti [...]


    11. Zvláštní korespondence dvou básníků. Když si Bachmannová a Celan v rozvoněné květnové Vídni poprvé padli do náručí, měli už něco za sebou. Jemu bylo osmadvacet, jí dvacet dva. Celan o čtyři měsíce později vydá svou první sbírku, Bachmannová studuje na Vídeňské univerzitě filozofii. Milenci spolu stráví zhruba měsíc, poté se Celan přesune do Francie. V průběhu následujících let se přerývaně vídají, ale nikoli často – potvrzených je asi dvanác [...]


    12. Stai bene e vivi leggeraDi questo carteggio mi ha colpito la capacità di dire e di dirsi di due persone eccezionali (Paul Celan e Ingeborg Bachmann) per più di 20 anni.Il pensiero che alcuni sodalizi si trasformano, ma non finiscono davvero mai.L'uso chirurgico delle parole e delle espressioni (ed è una traduzione).Il rispetto (delle relazioni) dell'altro/a.La capacità di rompere, e tuttavia recuperare su piani diversi, senza rinnegare l'inquietudine, senza pacificarsi.Essere leggeri, eppure [...]


    13. I když se dva lidé živí psaním, jsou v osobní komunikaci stejně neobratní, jako kdokoli jiný - neupřímní, bojácní, neschopni se plně vyjádřit ale také otevření, ochotni naslouchat, náladoví. A přesto mi jsou oba spisovatelé ve své upřímnosti(když už) tak blízcí - Celan svou impulzivností, Bachmannová svou empatií. Jejich korespondence mi připomíná tolik z mého osobního života. Ošklivé vzpomínky, i ty krásné.


    14. These letters are more of biographic interest than they are intrinsically interesting. The letters focus on missed meetings and recriminations. There's little poetics, little literary observation, nothing of contemporary events. If I knew more of Celan and Bachmann's writing, I might find these letters illuminating, but as it is, the letters come off as commentaries on a relationship between two people growing more distant from each other over time.


    15. I could only read small parts of the book at the time, because it totally overwhelmed me. Some lines from Celan's letters and mostly his need for Marianne left such a strong impression on me, they pop up from nowhere at random days, making me stop whatever I'm doing - strange as it is, I'm happy but also feel 'guilty' to have read this intimate correspondence.


    16. celan ve bachmann, mektuplarını okudukça onlara hakim olacağınızı sanıyorsunuz ama hayır, kendilerini ele vermiyorlar, aksine kafanız karışıyor, haklarında bildiğiniz her şey jenga blokları gibi dağılıyor.


    17. Bo 64 lata temu ktoś czuł tak samo i umiał to zawrzeć w kilku pięknych słowach.Bo "to lato trwa bez końca, a ja zadaję sobie pytanie, co ma być potem".









    18. Here laid bare, in all their rawness are a remarkable series of letters, that taken together with the writer's poetry cast an eerie light upon their relationships.Remarkable




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