In cosa crede chi non crede?

In cosa crede chi non crede?

Carlo Maria Martini Umberto Eco / Jul 23, 2019

In cosa crede chi non crede A inizio la rivista Liberal aveva proposto al Cardinal Martini e a Umberto Eco di aprire un dialogo Questo libretto aveva poi riportato nel le lettere che i due si erano scambiati ed era st

  • Title: In cosa crede chi non crede?
  • Author: Carlo Maria Martini Umberto Eco
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  • Page: 192
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  • A inizio 1995 la rivista Liberal aveva proposto al Cardinal Martini e a Umberto Eco di aprire un dialogo Questo libretto aveva poi riportato nel 1996 le lettere che i due si erano scambiati, ed era stato tradotto in seguito in sedici paesi.Anche in ricordo di un indimenticabile protagonista dei tempi nostri l editore ritiene opportuno ripubblicare questo scambio epistolarA inizio 1995 la rivista Liberal aveva proposto al Cardinal Martini e a Umberto Eco di aprire un dialogo Questo libretto aveva poi riportato nel 1996 le lettere che i due si erano scambiati, ed era stato tradotto in seguito in sedici paesi.Anche in ricordo di un indimenticabile protagonista dei tempi nostri l editore ritiene opportuno ripubblicare questo scambio epistolare che si svolto in modo cordiale e franco sui problemi di importanza capitale che hanno spesso diviso i credenti da i non credenti, dal senso della storia al problema dell aborto, dal sacerdozio delle donne alle possibilit di un etica comune sia a chi crede che a chi non crede.

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      • Carlo Maria Martini Umberto Eco

        Cardinal Martini was an exegetical and theological scholar who has written than 40 books, and was reputed to speak 11 languages.


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    1. خواندنش خالی از لطف نیست، قرار است پرسش و پاسخی باشد میان امبرتو اکو و کاردینال مارتینی جهت یافتن مشترکات میان افراد مذهبی و غیر مذهبی، اما هر دو طرف بیشتر به کلی گویی راجع به موضوع مطرح شده میپردازند.برای من بخش انتهایی کتاب که اکو در مورد اخلاق و ضمانت اجرایی آن نزد غیرمذهبی [...]


    2. Pensavo di imparare qualcosa su questo argomento, ma mi sono reso conto che questo libro è al di sopra del mio background culturale, quindi non posso esprimere un giudizio. Abbandonato al 50%.


    3. In a time when academia and scholarly religion seems terribly at odds with the living Catholic faith, two men open a dialogue which is indeed a confrontation. They confront however, not each other, but the issues of apocalyptic perspective, abortion, women in the Church, violence and much more. These two men recognize these issues not as polemics to be tossed back and forth for endless bantering, but as fundamental to outlining a definition of "humanity." Both men are scholars and people of fait [...]


    4. Es un diálogo epistolar entre Umberto Eco y el cardenal Carlo Maria Martini. Se puede leer de una sentada, es bastante corto y te incita a pensar sobre la ética de las acciones. Además, demuestra que discutir sobre religión puede ser entretenido. Trata de los temas que normalmente causan conflictos entre creyentes y no creyentes: el origen de la vida, el apocalipsis y la igualdad de género en las instituciones religiosas.


    5. Nel marzo 1995, sulla rivista liberal, Umberto Eco pubblicò una lettera aperta al cardinale Carlo Maria Martini, arcivescovo di Milano, per avviare un dialogo tra intellettuali in posizione di parità: un laico non credente (ma non necessariamente ateo militante) e un religioso credente (ma di vedute molto aperte, talvolta eterodosse). Lo scopo: discutere temi di grande importanza per la collettività, cercando di chiarire punti di contatto e di opposizione tra credenti e non credenti. Si parte [...]


    6. مەسەلەیەکی کوردی هەیە دەڵێت: کەر لەکێ تۆپییە، کوندە لەکێ دڕایەناو و ناوەڕۆکی ئەم کتێبە ئاسمان و ڕێسمانە، بەڵام پێم وابێ خەتای دوو گەنگەشکارەکە نییە، بەڵکو دەکرێت ناونانەکە بیرۆکەی کارمەندێکی ئەو ڕۆژنامەیە بووبێت کە پارچە نووسینەکانی تێدا بڵاو کراونەتەوە. لەگەڵ ئەوەشدا، ه [...]


    7. چیزی كه در نامه ها به چشم می آید احترامی است كه اكو و مارتینی به عنوان یك مذهبی و غیرمذهبی برای هم قائل هستند. این نشان می دهد كه حتی در این سطح هم می شود گفت و گو كرد؛ ولی از چارچوب ادب و احترام خارج نشد.


    8. "The final topic of discussion is an overall belief in God. This time the roles have reversed and Martini questions Eco on the basic ethical foundation of a layman. He asks what a layman bases his moral behavior on, if not a belief in God. Eco informs him that there are forms of religiosity, even in the absence of faith. There are universal conceptions of constraint and believers with an ethical foundation still sin. One who doesn’t believe in God can still make sense of his own life. However, [...]


    9. I fear that much of this book was over my head as I do not have the sort of religious background these men do and perhaps because of that my rating is not fair. However, due to the title "a confrontation" I expected this book to be an actual debate but instead the men focus on finding common ground, so basically they are holding each other's hand telling each other how great they are the entire book instead of actually putting forth any opinions. What is said in 100 pages could have been said in [...]


    10. اصل موضوع کتاب و گشوده شدن باب این گفت‌وگو بسیار جالب است. دو سوی این گفت‌وگو هم چهره‌های نامدار و درخشانی هستند. البته متن کتاب کوتاه و حاوی فقط ۳ پرسش و پاسخ است که ای کاش بیشتر بود. کتاب هرچه پیش‌ می‌رود بهتر می‌شود به پرسش و پاسخ سوم به وضوح درخشان‌تر، کاربردی تر، و کارآم [...]


    11. Definitely thought provoking. Very pleased with how respectful these gentlemen were towards each others beliefs, especially with the hot topics we are experiencing during this election time.


    12. Due menti in dialogo (con coro di accompagnamento). il libro si basa sullo scambio di brevi interventi tra Umberto Eco e Carlo Maria Martini, alla ricerca di un confronto tra laici e credenti in particolare sui temi dell'etica. Si tratta di riflessioni lucide e di alto livello, come ci si poteva aspettare dai due protagonisti che porta ad un interessante riflessione non tanto sull'annoso confronto/scontro su chi ha e chi non ha la fede, ma sulle basi filosofiche dell'etica - in sostanza sul sens [...]


    13. Letto per il club Secretum Finis Africae: i saggi di Umberto d'Alessandria, comprato in formato digitale e riletto immediatamente.L'aspetto che mi ha catturato del libro è stata la possibilità di leggere un dialogo fra persone che hanno idee diverse che si confrontano non per convincere l'altro della propria ragione ma per capire le idee dell'altro in un contesto di curiosità e mutuo rispetto che sembrano concetti così estranei al mondo attuale in cui si strepita per affermare le proprie ver [...]


    14. An interesting and respectful little conversation between Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (a Catholic and scholar) and Umberto Eco (an agnostic who knows more about Catholicism than well, practically anyone) about faith and ethics. There were some moments in this little volume when I felt the language was more flowery than it needed to be, while the depth was less than it could have been. And of course the debate is very Catholicism-centered, as you would expect given the debators (other religions [...]


    15. Proof that discussion around religion (at least in other latitudes) can be elucidating and even cordial. As usual, Eco draws heavily from european (mostly medieval) history, and Aquinas, to make incisive points, not so much about the non-existence of god, a topic which he is too old to really be arguing like a village atheist, but to reveal the subtleties of doctrine and the historical, cultural, and theological issues of topics like the ordination of women and abortion.Readers looking for boori [...]


    16. A tedious correspondence with no big surprises. The writers spend a quarter of the book with formalities and congratulating each other on rigour. It gets into some interesting territory, like questioning the church's stance on women, but doesn’t begin to feel honest and meaty until the final correspondence. Then the book ends.It's a reminder that discourse between believers and non-believers can be civil, and that’s about it.


    17. MARTINI, Carlo Maria; ECO, Umberto: „Woran glaubt, wer nicht glaubt?“, München 1999Haben auch Nichtgläubige Werte? Unterscheiden sie zwischen GUT und BÖSE? Oder können das nur Gläubige. Über derartige Grundfragen diskutieren im Rahmen eines Briefwechsels der Mailänder Bischof und der Schriftsteller Umberto Eco. Eine geistreiche Auseinandersetzung, die neue Faktoren aufzeigt.Kardinal König eröffnet den Diskurs mit Bezug auf den Club of Rome – einer nichtchristlichen Organisation -, [...]


    18. A thought out dialogue on the logic behind being a believer versus a non-believer: Great Idea, The world needs more of it! Two sophisticated and well educated correspondents, one Catholic and the other a former Catholic represent the rest of us. The pitch sounds `brill'. Belief or Nonbelief does not deliver.The use of a question and answer format seems to limit the freedom of discussion. It does insure that what is printed is measured and thought-out. Every precaution has been made to insure tha [...]


    19. It's refreshing to see a religious debate where the competitors are so unfailingly polite and respectful of one another, but one gets the sense that it isn't a true conflict at all, given Eco's self-admitted Catholic upbringing (& obvious interest in Aquinas et al.). Perhaps the biggest disappointment of all is the fact that both participants seem committed to dumbing themselves down for the sake of their newspaper audience. A debate means nothing if it is conducted at the level of the lowes [...]


    20. ორი გენიოსის ტვინის გადამაბრუნებელი დიალოგები!



    21. I read this book twice. The first time was years ago, and I did not enjoy it at all. "Belief or nonbelief? A confrontation" was the title. Where was the confrontation? Just lots of philosophical concepts, things that could have been expressed in a couple of sentences but were explained in long pages in an effort -I assume- to make them politically correct, or perhaps religiously correct. It was totally over my head, too abstract for my taste. I thought that maybe I didn't have the required matur [...]


    22. Depois de ler Barabbas (1950) de Pär Lagerkvist, um livro que atormenta o leitor com a questão metafilosófica da capacidade de acreditar ou não acreditar na religião, ler Belief or Non-Belief?: A Confrontation (1996) de Umberto Eco (1932-2016), tornou-se uma coincidência inexplicável. Já que encontrei o livro por acaso e no mesmo momento em que ainda estava a assimilar as ideias com que fiquei da leitura da obra do autor sueco. A obra baseia-se na troca de correspondência entre o intele [...]


    23. Más que una confrontación, este libro es un diálogo educado -de hecho, muy educado- entre dos personajes de gran renombre en sus respectivos campos. Aclaro: a ambos los conozco mediante referencias de la cultura popular y no por sus escritos. Por lo tanto, la lectura de esta conversación epistolar, publicada originalmente en un periódico italiano, fue un descubrimiento gratificante y enriquecedor, aunque breve (102 páginas, apenas). En estos tiempos, cuando a veces las posiciones religiosa [...]


    24. Si no le pongo cinco estrellas a este libro es porque simplemente me dejó con ganas de más.En múltiples revisiones atribuyen todo el libro a Umberto Eco y he de confesar que fue el título acompañado de ese nombre lo que me hicieron comprarlo, pero Carlo María Martini no se queda para nada atrás. La manera en que se desenvuelve este diálogo epistolar es un claro ejemplo de como deberíamos actuar en la sociedad a pesar de nuestras diferencias ideológicas, dogmáticas, de fe, políticas, [...]


    25. This short book follows the formula of a dialogue between the now secular (once Catholic) Umberto Eco and the Catholic Cardinal Carlo Martini. It it, they ask and answer each other questions dealing with believers and non-believers. The two gentlemen are gentlemen, ever clear, honest and respectful in how they speak to one another and express their views.One of the greatest flaws people often have in dialogue with others of differing values is that they don't have a framework in which to approac [...]


    26. Intelectuais italianos de perfil acadêmico são muito parecidos com suas contrapartes brasileiras: executam ocasionalmente pérolas de sabedoria que vale repetir, mas as deixam perdidas em um oceano de hermetismo e citações eruditas. O livro, que se vende como acessível desde a capa, é um diálogo travado por carta sem preocupação com acessibilidade -- são intelectuais travando um debate, limitados pelo espaço de suas missivas na publicação que originalmente os convidou. Eco, particul [...]


    27. An interesting exchange of letters between Umberto Eco (a secular man) and Carlo Maria Martini (a catholic cardinal), discussing topics that normally divide believers and non-believers.In most of the book, Eco starts with a question and the cardinal answers it. The conversations are very polite and charged with philosophy and literature. The topics discussed are: the concept of apocalypsis, the beginning of human life, and the roles of men and women in the catholic church. At the end, the cardin [...]


    28. Perhaps better titled "Belief or Nonbelief in Catholicism" as while Eco claims to be a non-believer, the focus is squarely on debating the church's views. The brevity of the dialog makes it very accessible but also doesn't allow for much back and forth. The format is of open letters between Eco and Martini published in a newspaper. Eco opens the dialog with questions for the first three sets of letters. In my view Martini's responses were a bit typical. Essentially, 'there are so many mysteries [...]


    29. The book is not big but it is full of substance. I am a big fan of Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini. I try to read everything which he wrote and sit at his feel learning the lessons of the Gospel and try to soak them in. He is one of the best people that impressed me with his dialogue with Atheists and Agnostics. Very respectful. A book like this I can read to just learn the art of dialogue and thinking. Each have their convincing reasons for their arguments and each sounds attractive in his own int [...]


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